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Rise and Fall of Phil Fulmer?


(NOTE:  credit to Vol Addict for his work on the Fulmer stats below)

There are numerous reasons for the decline of the Tennessee Football Empire. The dominating reason, is that other SEC schools had grown stronger. They had built stronger institutions, introduced competent coaches , infrastructure and administration.

By the time of the 21st century, the mock name of the empire was correct: Looking fat old and slow, Fulmer seems to  have been caught and passed by other schools except for Ole Miss of course.  Many believe that LSU and Florida (despite winning the NC) will also be on the decline as Les Miles and Herban Meyer are winning games with other coaches recruits.

Coach Fulmer tried to correct all the weaknesses, but is it too late?  Or will Fulmer rebound like Joe Paterno? Check out the facts:

Years without SEC title: 8
Years without BCS bowl: 7
Years without top 10 ranking: 5
Years without AP Top 25 ranking: 2000, 2002, 2005, *probably* 2006
Years with 3 or more losses: 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 (5 straight years and 7 out of 8 )
Years with multiple losses to unranked teams: 2003, 2005
Years with loss in last 2 games of season: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 (EIGHT straight years and counting) 4-8 (.333) vs. Spurrier: (2-3 since 1998 )
2-4 (.333) vs. Richt
1-3 (.250) vs. Tuberville
1-2 (.333) vs. Saban
0-2 (.000) vs. Meyer 9-16 (.360) 1999 – present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB (thank God for Zook!)
7-15 (.318 ) 2000 – present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB
5-14 (.263) 2000 – present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
5-12 (.294) 2000 – present vs. FL, GA, AUB
3-11 (.214) 2000 – present vs. FL, GA, AUB excluding games vs. Zook
5-9 (.357) 2000 – present vs. FL, GA
3-8 (.272) 2000 – present vs. FL, GA excluding games vs. Zook
2-5 (.286) 2000 – present vs. GA
8-14 (.363) vs. Top 10 teams 1999 – present
1-6 (.142) vs. Top 10 teams at home 2000 – present
6-12 (.333) vs. Top 10 teams 2000 – present
17-19 (.472) vs. Ranked Teams 1999 – present
2-5 (.285) Bowl games since 1998 (all double digit losses)
2-7 (.222) Postseason record since 1998 including SECCG (all double digit losses)

Losses To Unranked Teams:
2006 PSU 20 TN 10
2005 Van 28 TN 24
2005 SC 16 TN 15
2004 ND 17 TN 13
2003 Clem 27 TN 14
2003 Aub 28 TN 21
2001 GA 26 TN 24
2000 LSU 38 TN 31
1999 Ark 28 TN 24

Scout produced an article on why Fulmer should decline a pay raise (Thanks for the info KirklandVol)

(I really don’t know how much of this is from the Scout  Article  and how much was added from KirklandVol)

Tennessee men’s athletic director Mike Hamilton has already decided to give football coach Phillip Fulmer a contract extension of undetermined length. In the near future, Hamilton will announce his decision regarding a raise for Fulmer.

Here’s some advice for Hamilton: Don’t give Phillip Fulmer a raise.
Here’s some advice for Fulmer: Say you don’t want a raise.

A Tennessee coach doesn’t deserve a raise for winning nine games, losing a bowl game to a less-talented Penn State team and finishing two games out of first place in the East Division. A Tennessee coach doesn’t deserve a raise for a 9-4 season in which your team doesn’t finish in the top 20.

Or does improving the teams record from 5-6 to 9-4 and revamping the staff count for anything?  Going to a bowl as opposed to not going to a bowl?

UT fans are still upset about a lackluster 20-10 loss to unranked Penn State. They’ll be even more upset if Fulmer pads his $2.05 million a year salary.

Fulmer would do himself a favor with fans by denouncing a potential pay hike, by saying 9-4 isn’t the standard at Tennessee.

As Fulmer said after the Outback Bowl: “We’ll get back and start competing for championships.’’

Until you do, $2.05 million a year is more than fair compensation.

Fulmer did get a bowl bonus. That’s all you deserve after recording the fifth-best record in SEC play (5-3).

I don’t think Fulmer should even get an extension. His contract runs through 2011. That’s long enough.

He hasn’t won an SEC championship since 1998. He hasn’t been to a BCS bowl game since 1999.

You could justify a minimal raise if you win 10 games, but not nine.

If Hamilton gives Fulmer a raise, you’ve got to wonder why. Has the program slipped to the point where 9-4 is considered an achievement? Has the program slipped to the point where 5-3 in SEC play is rewarded with more money?

You could argue that Fulmer enjoyed a four-game improvement over 2005. But, the Vols should never have been 5-6.

Since Fulmer has been a $2 million coach, the Vols have gone 14-10, 7-9 in SEC play. Does that justify more money? Answer: Of course not.

If Hamilton gives Fulmer a raise, fans will be as angry with Hamilton as Fulmer. And fans won’t want to hear about how the athletic department is struggling to break even financially. Paying Fulmer more would be considered fiscally irresponsible.

Look, I’m all for people making as much as they can – unless they are making $2 million and don’t do anything to prove they deserve more. Unlike a $20,000 a year employee, a $2 million employee shouldn’t get a cost-of-living raise just for the sake of a cost-of-living raise. He should get the raise based on merit. And 9-4 doesn’t merit a raise.

I don’t care if Alabama’s new coach, Nick Saban, gets $4 million a year. I don’t care if Florida coach Urban Meyer is going to jump up the $2 million ladder for winning a national title, or that Oklahoma’s Bob Stoops and Notre Dame’s Charlie Weis already make over $3 million.

This is more about Tennessee value, not market value.

A growing number of Tennessee fans believe Fulmer can’t get the Vols back to the level of play the program experienced in the 1990s. I’m convinced he won’t ever go 45-5 over a four-year period. I’m not convinced he can’t win another SEC title.

If he does, he should get a raise. But until he wins the SEC or makes a BCS bowl, he should be grateful to be in the $2 million club at his alma mater.

Put it this way, if Fulmer gets a raise after going 9-4, shouldn’t he return part of his salary for going 5-6?

Moreover, Fulmer’s record hasn’t been sparkling over the past five years. Since the start of the 2002 season, he has been to one SEC title game, has won just one bowl game and has gone 42-21, an average of 8.4 wins per season.

Here are other marks against Fulmer:

Five years without finishing in the Top 10.

Four of the last seven years not finishing in the AP top 20.

Four of the last seven years finishing with four or more losses.

Eight straight years losing at least one of the season’s last two games.

Since after the 1998 season, Fulmer is 9-16 against Florida, Georgia, LSU and Auburn and 5-9 against Florida and Georgia. Against Top 10 teams, he is 8-14, and 1-6 at home since 2000. He is 17-19 against ranked opponents.

And since 1998, he is 2-7 in postseason (counting the SEC title game) with each defeat by double digits.

Once a lock against unranked teams, Fulmer has lost eight games to non-Top 25 teams since the start of the 2000 season.

Against current SEC coaches, Fulmer is 22-23. He has a winning record against Bobby Johnson at Vanderbilt, Rich Brooks at Kentucky, Houston Nutt at Arkansas and Ed Orgeron at Ole Miss.

He has a losing record against Steve Spurrier (4-8 at Florida and South Carolina), Mark Richt at Georgia (2-4), Urban Meyer at Florida (0-2) and Nick Saban (1-2 at LSU).

Fulmer is .500 against Les Miles of LSU (1-1) and Tommy Tuberville (3-3 at Ole Miss and Auburn).

That’s the ammunition by the anti-Fulmer faction.

It’s a strong argument. But not strong enough to merit Fulmer being fired.

Fulmer deserves the chance to complete the turnaround. How much longer should he get? Two years.

If Tennessee doesn’t win an SEC title or make a BCS bowl in the next two seasons, it’s time for a change.

As for the immediate future, Fulmer doesn’t deserve a raise.

And he should beat Hamilton to the punch by saying he doesn’t want one
While it is difficult to find exact reasons for the rise of the Tennessee Football empire, except that there were skilled leaders, sufficient economic backing and probably weaknesses among Rival Schools; it is much easier to point at when the fall of the empire commenced, and its causes.

15 comments on “Rise and Fall of Phil Fulmer?

  1. A similar discussion is over at Rocky Top talk where several view points are taken into account on virtually the same topic. I’ve posted my opinions over there.

    I’m in full agreement with you that Coach Fulmer should decline any type of raise or contract extension this year. When you’re in the $2M+ bracket, a “cost of living” increase is pure BS and meaningless. I guarantee that he can keep his house, cars, and continue to provide for his family off of his current salary.

  2. Joel and I, are using the same sources it appears

  3. I’ll take Fulmer’s cost of living increase. It won’t be meaningless to me!

  4. I believe that those stats were first posted on Outermonvolia.com and were compiled by Jerry Merchant who was banned from VolChat by Comrade Vladimir Tosh for daring to speak the Truth.

  5. Oracle, that could be very true. I got them from Rivals, VolFan1978 claims them as his work

  6. These are Jerry Merchants(Vol-Addict) work, which were compiled long ago and updated. Anyone trying to take credit for his work is full of shit and is a liar.

  7. Jerry Merchant, aka Vol-Addict compiled them a few years ago and has updated them over the years. Anyone trying to take credit for them is a shit-eating liar.

  8. I’ll back up Oracle on this one. Those stats have been posted, refined, reposted, discussed, dissed, distrusted and displayed since BEFORE last year’s debaucle. Jerry’s kept the official batch, and distributed them periodically mainly via email.

    Birminghamvol and his many guises have posted them around the world, too. He got banned from Tosh-land for having an earlier version of them in his signature once, if I remember correctly.

    Many others have taken it upon themselves to begin a recent media blitz by emailing them to every beat writer and radio show that touches on UT football.

  9. I will back Blacksheep AND Oracle on this one. These stats were comprised & updated regularly by Mr. Merchant for the past 3 or so seasons and sent via email.

  10. Again, we don’t doubt you. All I am saying is where I got the info, and who is claiming to be the owner of the data

  11. The pressure from The Pearl is not helping matters with Fulmer I don’t believe.

  12. credit Vol Addict added for the stats

  13. Rocco

    when you link to a porn site, it gets caught in the spam filter. The delicate dick dance with outmonvolai folks is done. The douche known as atlantavol aka barry bonds wants us gone.

    Goodbye disgruntled Vol fans at that site. You will be missed

  14. [...] Originally Posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange 0-2 vs Paterno 5-9 vs Spurrier 0-4 vs Meyer 0-3 vs Saban 1-0 vs Bowden 3-4 vs Tubberville 1-2 vs Miles 10-24 overall 3-5 vs. Richt as well his record vs. top 25 in the last 10 or so years was also atrocious… here are some other stats from VolAddict at Loser with socks.. Rise and Fall of Phil Fulmer? Loser with Socks [...]

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