Is the SEC Clearly Superior?
Is the SEC Clearly Superior? Because they beat the Failboats?? Fuck No.
I am counting the days till my Eers roll into the Turdknockerville Alabama and show old Wingnut how the Spread Option is suppose to be operated. We will try and teach an old dog a new trick, we can Alabama how to beat Auburn.
Speaking of the Spread, Florida’s coach stole it from Fraud-iguez. My point is that Meyer is a thief.
Lemme see, Drayton and Holliday have split from Florida. The newest rumor is that Charley Strong is looking to Un-Ass Mullet Town too. Bama’s Applewhite and Steel, are they trying to adios T-Town too? You SEC Homos can’t seem to much of anything right can you?
Mockery withstanding, with the exception of LSU’s “powerful” team and the tOSU assrape, I really don’t find what makes the SEC so great this year. I watched a bunch of the games, living in SEC country and all. Just like in every other conference, there’s parity, and tough games, that make it difficult for individual teams to show dominance.
In the SEC, that gets used as a measuring stick for how great it is. In regards to every other conference, SEC fans use that stick to detract how good other teams are. Over the next few weeks, the ACC almost posted a winning overall record against SEC teams this year with late-season rivalry games (Clemson-USC, Florida St-Florida, Georgia Tech-Georgia, maybe more in bowl games). Who can forget wins by teams like ULM, Kentucky, South Carolina, Mississippi State, Michigan, Cal and Florida State over the “elite” SEC Programs.
People give the top-to-bottom excuse for competition, but there are gimmes every week in every conference. With the exception of the LSU-Va Tech early-season game, I have found few OOC wins that have been really impressive from the SEC (USC barely over 3-7 UNC?). As an Big East sports fan (I believe we’re as good in football, but not so second-rate; and much more exciting).
I just want to re-emphasize that Tenn lost to Cal (3-4 in Pac-10), Auburn lost to USF (2-3 in Big East), Alabama lost to Florida St (3-4 in ACC), My Eers (Country Roads Motherfucker) blew up Miss. St (3-3 in SEC) and my personal favorite of Michigan beating Florida in the Citrus Bowl. Doesn’t the criteria of a great conference have to include how the teams handle the opposition from other conferences?
One good thing about having Dish TV, you get a wide-range of games from all conferences; tons of exposure for everyone. From the Fox Sports package and all the ESPNs, a College Football fan can check 95% of the most important games.
Here is my final conference rankings:
- SEC and BE tied
- PAC 10
- Big 12
- ACC
- and the cupcakes: the Big 10
I am sad that football season is over.
Vote here
Please don’t skip your medication.
At least your pic didn’t turn me to stone. Half of it, anyway. On the left is about what we’ve come to expect from you, but on the right has potential. She might make it into a third tier sorority at an SEC school. Kind of like how WVU would compete in football.
The SEC is undoubtedly the best conference, it’s just not invincible. That seems to be where all the non-SEC fans are drawing that line. We say “best”, everyone else hears “untouchable.” There’s not a team in the country where you can’t point to losses, but to say the Big East top to bottom is equal to the SEC? Ludicrous. West Virginia was very good. Who do you point to next? Rutgers? Not this year. UConn? Cincy? Louisville? They were 6-6 and it just goes down here from there.
Here’s more of your typical West Virginia bush league crap
http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200801110161
The Big East was 3-2 in bowl games, 4 of those games they were favorites (3 of which were lopsided favorites) and in the 5th game West Virginia had a great upset. Just because West Virginia is good doesn’t mean your shitty also ran conference is any fucking good.
West Virginia = Boise State.
On a side note Eer, your posts are usually well written. This one reads like a math problem…
OK, let’s count the inaccuracies.
1. Alabama’s defensive coordinator is Kevin Steele, not “Steel.”
2. The SEC was 6-3 against the ACC this year, including a 41-point thrashing of the ACC’s champion. The ACC didn’t win either of its bowl matchups against SEC teams.
3. The statement “I believe we’re as good in football, but not so second-rate” doesn’t even make any sense.
4. Cal was 3-6 in the Pac-10, USF was 4-3 in the Big East, FSU was 4-4 in the ACC, and Mississippi State was 4-4 in the SEC.
Never mind the dozens of spelling and grammatical errors that make me wonder whether you even went to high school, much less graduated.
Seriously, if that’s the best you can do as far as “research” is concerned, kid, then your hilarious claim that the SEC and Big East are “tied” carries about as much credibility as Charlie Weis.
Good Weis analogy
We all know that the Big Ten is the best conference. Some Ohio State fans told us so, despite Ohio State losing 10 straight times in bowl games to SEC opponents.
Good point.
If the Vols don’t had to play powerhouses like Pitt every year, who knows where they’d be.
First off Pitt. enough said.
Second not that i am a Gator fan but Urban stolet the spead from Rodriguez? So Rodriguez invented the spread right. OK
Third SEC in bowls 7-2 including the National Championship. Name 1 confrence that had 9 teams in a bowl game and won 7 of them.
Do you think before you post, or just let the shit fly out of your mouth.
“Do you think before you post, or just let the shit fly out of your mouth”
The latter.
Last three years Conf Record Win%
ACC 11-13 .458
Big 10 08-14 .363
Big 12 13-11 .542
Big East 09-05 .643
Pac 10 10-07 .588
SEC 16-08 .666
Wow – .23% better winning percentage – the SEC is just amazingly better.
Boise State? Dumb comment – Boise hasn’t finished in the top 10 for the past three years.
“Is the SEC Clearly Superior?”
Yes…
Rich didn’t invent the spread – but he did design it to be as effective as it is today (as much as I hate to give him credit, now).
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/sports/ncaafootball/30rrodriguez.html
Urban didn’t steal it from Rich, he was given “lessons”
I can only think of one time that the SEC champ has played the Big East Champ.
WVU – 38 UGA – 35
In the Georgia Dome.
@11 I know math is probably not taught in WV, but that would be 2.4%, not .23%.
Do you really think that, from top to bottom, the Big East compares to the SEC? You must be one of Eer’s 5million inbred cousins.
“.023″…., “.23″; a “TYPO, HE MUST BE WRONG!”
You see the point – in bowl games, there isn’t that much difference.
PS – If the ‘inbred’ thing is part of your argument, you’re a dolt not worthy of having a rational discussion with.
Wah Wah
How was it this year?
BE 3-2 .600
SEC 7-2 .778
Great – since we’re looking at individual years, lets look at last year – BE , 5-0. 1.000.
Chew on that.
Just like you said, LAST year.
If you remember correctly, I did post the last three years results, which did give a small edge to the SEC. However, I wouldn’t refer to it as ‘clearly superior’ numbers.
Nice backtrack, huckleberry. Take your show to a BE board, where someone will listen. Ciao (or chow, in West Virginia-speak).
Since 1990 the current all-time, head-to-head, SEC vs Big East football record (through the 2006 season) shows the Big East with a 17-13 (.567) advantage.
This doesn’t count USF over Auburn or WVU over MSU. I think it’s time for you to move along.
Lets hear you argue your way through that, Susan. The numbers don’t lie (ps – got this from an SEC site (www.secsportsfan.com).
WVU = UF with morals
@ 19. Since we’re looking at bowl records, let’s look at the game that truly matters, BCS National Championships:
SEC: 3(Actually 4 if you count Tenn)
BE: 1(Miami)
Chew on that
Obviously they wern’t playing BE teams in those games, bc odds are (19-14) they would have lost.
HAHAHA – 19-14 in Favor of BE
YOU
CANT
ARGUE
WITH
THAT
I can. More often than not, it’s a top-shelf Big East team versus a lower-tier SEC team. WVU over Miss State? Congrats, your #1 beat our #8. USF over Auburn? #2 over #5. Same goes in bowl games. Our top flight teams have lost to you once in the BCS, and like I said, as a league we are better, but not invincible. The rest of the bowls is much like the regular season…your top couple teams play the last couple teams in the SEC that qualify for bowls. Match them head to head 1 versus 1 and so on and the SEC would be favored in 100% of those games.
#8
Rooting for a 4-loss, #12 team (laughable) – you have nothing to complain about.
We’re arguing if it’s a clearly superior conference. CLEARLY would mean that you would have a winning record vs. the BE.
fuck all of you. You fucks know that my EERS are the cutting edge of future. Big East Football is clearly superior than the shit that SEC is selling.
Oh, is Meyer planning coaching all of the vacant coaching positions by himself? Is Strong headed to Miami?
He is a creepy fucking guy….dead lifeless eyes
High 5
I promise this, my Eers would win the SEC West.
Hey Jenny Slater dude, thanks for all of the grammer corrections. I write like my Eers play ball…with passion. We aren’t artificial machines like your precious Saint Mark Helen Hunt Richt with the buttcut and your precious UGA Dawgs.
I challenge you Mr Doug to write with some emotion and passion, like my motherfucking EERS!!!!! Country Fucking Roads Homes!!! High 5s all around
#30, that doesn’t provide clarity, it provides misdirection to make it seem like you know what you are talking about. Line ‘em up and see which ones the Big East would be favored (objectively) to win. I count zero and that couldn’t be more clear. You could drop LSU off the top and line them up that way and I’d doubt the Big East would be favored even then.
LSU = Rutgers
I agree with AngryEERS, HJS. Toss off that clarity and intelligence. There’s no room for it on this website.
Thats funny, you count zero. I count 19-14.
Kills you, doesn’t it?
WVU=Hawaii
LSU=national champions (twice in this decade)
Andrew the W-F’n:
If you’re here to “have a rational discussion” on a thread started by always irrational AngryEer, you’re pissing up a rope.
Eer, is the “Dish” for your TV stuck on a 2X4 in the ground?
No – Hawaii lost to UGA – WVU beat them. Remember?
HAha – Angryeer’s intent is well, the approach could use some tweaking
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Can’t imagine how much clearer I can be, but then I’m taking an educated approach which is “clearly” a wasted effort. 19-14 based on the way those teams stacked up is not a Big East advantage. Your number 1 team SHOULD beat the SEC #8. Your number 2 SHOULD beat the SEC #5. Then again, I’m talking to someone who can’t defend his league as on the same level so he wants to argue the semantics of “clearly.” What if he just changes the title to “Apparent to anyone who actually watches football?”
Forget semantics. I feel like I’m being pretty fluid with the discussion. If the SEC is as dominant is they’re pitched to be, then they be knocking off the BE teams with no problem. They didn’t.
So your argument is what the lines would be if they played? I didn’t realize that was the defining factor in who actually wins the game.
19-14 – I’ll keep saying it until its acknowledged as at least mildly relevant.
crap, I wrote “is they’re pitched” instead of “as they’re pitched” – forgot they don’t teach grammar in WV either.
How have I not addressed 19-14? It’s only relevant in that if the Big East were actually as good as you’d like to believe, that 19 should be significantly higher. How you got “what the lines would be” from lining up the top to bottom of each league I’m not sure, so let me clarify even that:
LSU vs. WVU – LSU would be favored
UGA vs. USF – UGA would be favored
UF vs. UConn/Cincy – Florida would be favored
UT vs UConn/Cincy – UT would be favored
AU vs Rutgers – AU would be favored
And so on…
No way of knowing who wins unless they play, but we know who should win. But by your standard Stanford is a better team than USC because they beat them this year. They might have played better that day, made fewer mistakes, whatever, but they aren’t a better team.
You said it.
How many national champs out of the Big East? How many Big East teams play Jan. 1 and beyond? (don’t even throw in that International Bowl)
Big East=one good team and a lot of Conference USA material
No, you said it “No way of knowing who wins until they play”
So the assumptions that the BE teams wouldn’t compete in the SEC are void, right?
Someone might think they WVU will lose against LSU, but that doesn’t mean that it’ll happen.
Stanford and USC: If we don’t look at the score, which is about as objective as it gets, what do we look at?
Talent? Subjective.
Who should win? Subjective.
Better coach? Subjective.
Who put up more points – all that matters.
tiger – actually the BE is 3-0 in its last BCS Jan 1 games.
no, they dont have as many natl titles, but it doesn’t mean that they don’t compete.
Congrats on the 2-loss LSU team stumbling in to play a weak OSU team who had as much business being there as Hawaii did playing in the Sugar Bowl.
You’re not listening…this year…how many were playing Jan. 1 and beyond…I don’t care what your track record is…if we go back far enough, WVU doesn’t even exist. And WVU had two losses too.
LSU has no one better to thank than WVU for getting into that title game. You should go ahead and say it: Stanford is better than USC. Please say it. That statement has as much credibility as the rest of your argument.
The Big East does compete. No one is saying that. And as I’ve said several times already, the SEC isn’t untouchable. They won’t win every single game they play. But pound for pound, the quality of football played in the SEC top to bottom is better than the quality played league-wide elsewhere.
The Big East’s argument (as well as the Big 10’s) seems to hinge on the success the very best single team in their league would do in the SEC. WVU would probably be a three loss team in the SEC. Which is very good because WVU is a very good team. But would Rutgers have had the year they had last year in the SEC? No chance. Cincy this year? Nope. UConn? Not even close. And those teams are all in the top half of the Big East.
Tide, oh we do appreciate the choke, that’s for sure.
Don’t you see the contradictions?
“But would Rutgers have had the year they had last year in the SEC? No chance. Cincy this year? Nope. UConn? Not even close.”
“No way of knowing who wins unless they play”
they had 1 – in a conference thats 1/2 the size of the SEC. Point?
I’m assuming you went to law school at WVU (or third grade somewhere else) because you keep trying these horribly obvious evasive measures without actually addressing specifically what I’m saying. Like taking “no way of knowing who wins unless they play” out of the context of what I actually said. Address the disparity in ranks of the teams that have played or recognize that you are just pulling really, REALLY hard for a league that everyone just really hopes makes it because they were picked on for so long. ARTiger said it best. Your league consists of WVU and a bunch of teams hand-picked from Conference USA. If you want to say that the Big East is on the same level as Conference USA, at least that statement would have a basis in fact.
First – State Rankings in Total Education. WV – 34 (not great) AL – 43.
I guess well leave it at that – our league has a bunch of C-USA teams. That just so happen to be 19-14 against your almighty SEC.
Hang on to that. Clutch it dearly. Snuggle with it at night when it’s dark and make 19-14 swear to you it will never leave you, that what you have is true, and that the stories it tells you are real and in no way a product of mismatched teams. Make it schedule games with Vandy and Ole-Miss and pretend that beating them is like ruling the SEC.
..man that chaps your ass. haha, I love it.
There should be no “mismatch” – they’re CUSA teams, remember!
By all means please keep bringing it up because you can’t be convinced, but a reasonable person with a modicum of intelligence is reading this thread and realizes that your 19-14 means that the Big East has won only 58% of games against the SEC even though in all but one of those games the Big East was sending a team with higher conference standing than the one they faced.
tide,
you’re attempting to reason with fanatical extremists here – good luck with that.
58% – not bad for CUSA
Conference standing isn’t a 1-for-1 issue, though. The SEC has 1/3 more teams, so yeah – the BE team might have been in higher standing within the conference, but in the grand picture – they might have been pretty close to even.
Enjoyed the debate – I’ve had enough “work’ for my Friday and am heading out.
Dawg – wish I had the will to stay at work to debate with you as well , but I just dont. So I’ll leave you with :
http://www.wvmetronews.com/images/pics/uga24010206.jpg
Read #57 again…..and again……and again
You beat a Georgia team that at the time, was only a middling SEC talent, and you guys act like that single win entitles you talk shit to the entire league.
At least you appear to have had some education and you lack Angry’s raging meth addiction.
I’m not saying the Big East is bad, in the same way that Ohio State isn’t bad. It just doesn’t stack up the SEC. I’m not even saying the SEC is light years ahead, or any other statement of hyperbole. But conference standing is a one for one issue, unless your claim is that because the SEC has 50% more teams, that the 4th best team in your league would be equivalent to the 6th best in the SEC. But all that does is show that you are a thinner league–the SEC accomplishes with 6 teams what the Big East does with 4. By comparison of total numbers anyway, since the SEC actually did with 9 what the Big East did with 5 (got into a bowl) or with 10 what you did with 6 (qualify for a bowl). So by percentage, the SEC qualified 83% of it’s teams, the Big East 75%. The SEC won 78% of it’s bowls, the Big East 60%. Or for an even more indicative comparison, the SEC is 50% bigger, but had an 80% higher success rate to qualify for a bowl.
Angry sending that bunch up with that bullshit really touched some nerves. Everyone of you should thank him for checking your cardiac response.
You Big East fans keep using the 19-14 record vs: SEC. Take out the wins of Miami (who few could handle in the 90’s unless Alabama played them), Va. Tech, and BC and tell me how many wins and losses are there???
You talk about being 3-0 in BCS bowl games. But how many title games have you played in???
You talk about LSU stumbling to get into the title game. Well I guess Pitt=WVU ’s stumbling block…
You talk about the greatness of WVU, and we are used to AngryEer and his Kim Jong Il like ramblings, but your fans should not talk about bowl wins when you still all time have a losing bowl record and no national titles, when there are 9 teams in the SEC that have won a national title, and not the mythical “Thursday Night Football” title…
I told you arrogant fucks this was coming. I even toned it down a bit
cats and dogs sleep together….bammeroids, dawgs and tigers all supporting each other
Back to the mine with ya, ya inbred RTard!! You’ll not see the light of day until two-a-days!!!
Coal Mine = WVU Meth Rehab
Angry, et al., maybe the reason you aren’t getting much support from Rugters, UConn and the other BE elite (*stifling a snicker*) is that they realize that this whole line of discussion evidences your inferiority complex. Joel #67 got it right — let’s talk about current BE members, and stop borrowing the accomplishments of teams like BC, VT and Miami, which upgraded their way out of that basketball league you call a conference. Meanwhile, the BE upgraded by stealing CUSA talent. Niiiiiiiice.
I’ll give you the Sugar win over UGA, but you’ll at least be man enough to acknowledge that UGA fans get pounded regularly for embarrassing the conference like that. As far as I’m concerned, that win (apparently, the biggest one in WVU’s history) is a good example of the old saying that the sun shines on a dog’s ass every now and then. Sell that shit to someone who’ll buy it.
For my part, I’m still enjoying the Tigers’ second title in (a little over) 4 years. But if you want to spout this foolishness in public, don’t act like you’re getting under our skin when a few of us pause long enough to tell you to STFU. So … STFU and take it up with CUSA.
“WVU = UF with morals”
That’s impossible, UF has national championships.
Andrew the F’n retard: Did you think no one was going to check your retard math?
CURRENT Big East members are 23-28 since 1990 vs the SEC
13 of those wins are against Kentucky!
6 came against South Carolina, Vandy, Ole Miss, and Miss State
4 came against Bama, Auburn, and Georgia
And to clarify my WVU=Boise comment earlier,
West Virginia is the best team in a top heavy conference, just like Boise.
WVU just embarrassed OU, just like Boise.
Slaton the first to jump off the sinking ship…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3194897
White won’t be far behind…
Did Devine transfer yet?
Well, that helps to explain Slaton’s early exit from the Fiesta Bowl, never to be seen again. Guess he doesn’t live and breathe Mountaineer, just himself.
Slaton is taking the country roads out of WV.
The nicest WV poon ever shown by Eer. Still 2nd string at best in the SEC tho.
73 – all i can do is check an SEC site and add this years stats.
http://www.secsportsfan.com/sec-vs-big-east-football.html
I love how you people make things about being inbred, retarded, hillbillies, etc and not about football.
I’d love the chance to meet some of you people in person.
The problem, as I’ve already pointed out, is that when we try to make it “about football,” you and Angry Eer just pull a bunch of made-up statistics and assumptions out of your respective asses.
If you want us to have a substantive discussion about college football with you, you’re going to have to do us the courtesy of knowing what the hell you’re talking about.
“For now, the current all-time, head-to-head, SEC vs Big East football record (through the 2006 season) shows the Big East with a 17-13 (.567) advantage.
All of these games occurred after 1990. ”
From http://www.SECSPORTSFAN.com. If someone from SEC…..SEC! Sportsfan posted incorrect statistics (which I havent even had the chance to see if they’re incorrect or not), thats fine and I’ll concede that. But they weren “pulled from our asses” or “made up.” I’ve referenced that twice, sorry thats not good enough for you.
Has anyone referenced the information (aside from espn’s team schedule page) information that states contradicting info? I’d like to see it.
Til then, I’ll be doing meth with my sister (who’s carrying my child) preparing to go to the coal mine while rooting for my CUSA team. There, now we can talk about football.
The Big East/ WVU will have its moments of glory, but it will never be as good as the SEC or even the Pac-10, for that matter, because of a poor recruiting base.
I know recruiting is national these days, but take a look at LSU’s roster. The huge majority of those kids are Louisiana natives. LSU, Georgia, Florida, ‘Bama and Auburn can all put together good rosters without leaving the borders, and all the talent they need is an hour flight within any of the schools.
With that great recruiting base of Parkersburg South and Morgantown and University High Schools, WVU will always be second tier in football, unless they have a coach/ merc like Rich Rodriguez who sneaks into SEC country and convinces some kid with promises of cash, loose women, fat chicks taking their exams, and the occasional trip to Pittsburgh to party.
Let’s look at the Big East:
Louisville-basketball school in a basketball state…been on the verge of breaking through to the next level for the last 20 years
Pitt-great when Johnny Majors was coaching and before western Pennsylvania emptied out when the steel plants shut down
Rutgers- because of the tri-state recruiting base, may actually have a shot if the adminsitration commits, but they haven’t done that yet. Schiano’s just waiting for Paterno to die.
Cincy-stepping stone and a basketball school; best they can hope to be is the Second Best School in Ohio
WVU- state with1.5 million people, and a million of those are senior citizens…the Eers will be slipping back to Nehlenesque mediocrity now that Public Enemy#1 has moved onto Michigan’
UConn-football is the 3rd most important program at the school, behind men’s and women’s basketball. Has anyone ever been to Storrs? Makes Morgantown look like Paris.
Syracuse- good luck putting that back together. I’m sure the excitement of playing in the Carrier Dome and being buried in 3 feet of snow 70 percent of the year entices many a young man to come upstate.
As for badmouthing West Virginia, I’m from Louisiana, so I can hardly do that. I would point out that we only almost elected a former Klansman, we have better food (the pepperoni roll does not world class cuisine make), and while we do have plenty of inbred Cajuns, they gave the world zydeco.
@79 I need some acutal data, not something off of a message board somewhere, something like this:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/vs_conf.php
Give me some #’s…But speaking of #’s, how about you guys all-time bowl record???
2007 Fiesta Bowl W 48-28
2006 Gator Georgia Tech W 38-35
2005 Sugar Georgia W 38-35
2004 Gator Florida State L 18-30
2003 Gator Maryland L 7-41
2002 Continental Tire Virginia L 22-48
2000 Music City Mississippi W 49-38
1998 Insight Missouri L 31-34
1997 Carquest Georgia Tech L 30-35
1996 Gator North Carolina L 13-20
1994 Carquest South Carolina L 21-24
1993 Sugar Florida L 7-41
1989 Gator Clemson L 7-27
1988 Fiesta Notre Dame L 21-34
1987 Sun Oklahoma State L 33-35
1984 Bluebonnet Texas Christian W 31-14
1983 Hall Of Fame Kentucky W 20-16
1982 Gator Florida State L 12-31
1981 Peach Florida W 26-6
1975 Peach North Carolina St W 13-10
1972 Peach North Carolina St L 13-49
1969 Peach South Carolina W 14-3
1964 Liberty Utah L 6-32
1953 Sugar Georgia Tech L 19-42
1948 Sun Texas Western W 21-12
1937 Sun Texas Tech W 7-6
1922 East-West Gonzaga W 21-13
Now that is just bad. Historically, the SEC owns the Big East (with data to back up that statement) and WVU sucks when it comes bowl time (again, with data to back up that statement). Now spin that…